to get him out last february. but what's unusual about this case is, number one, the north koreans seem to be seeking a bargaining chip here with mr. newman. he's 85 years old. he's got a heart condition. they went into the airplane, took him out of the airplane as he was leaving pyongyang and brought him back. this is the new regime of kim jong-un. there was a trial, there were confessions, but then there was a negotiation to get them out. in this case, nothing seems to follow a set pattern. so this is the new re regime sending signals not just of hostility but known kind of bargaining postures they want. >> you said you're concerned that you haven't heard back, why specifically are you concerned? are you thinking this is not good news?