were widespread throughout the u.s. definitely knew some of the things that transpired in the media involving north korea. but we were not going there for that. we've been to some other places around the world that were controversial as well -- not as controversial as this, no doubt -- but we didn't go there for that. we went there to do what we normally do, and that's to be cross-cultural ambassadors and use the game of basketball as a bridge for exchange and we did that. we knew going in that, one, it was going to be historic -- >> here's what i don't understand. because one portion of your explanation is sports diplomacy. the other portion is we're not going for politics. actually, i want to play a portion of an interview you did with cnn's karl penhaul last week talking about this sports diplomacy angle of your trip. let's listen to that.