if the perception is there's a pack, and voters get to say, wait, who's actually my favorite candidate and that's where elizabeth warren has seized her moment here in saying, i'm a viable candidate for this nomination just you wait. >> voters are looking for a permission structure, that argument goes, to vote for the candidate their heart is telling them to vote for. i'm going back to when howard dean, i'm old enough to remember when donald trump was drawing support, and people told me it didn't matter. which is it. >> they're both right. it nae matters and it doesn't matters. elizabeth warren is going through a period like we saw with bernie sanders in 2017, lots of crowds and young people. there are a series of caveats. the poll is a small sample sides but it's going to get a lot of