should kind of all just lower our expectations about what's going to happen today. if there is one person in trump world who is -- i would describe as combative as really not interested in anything even remotely close to what congress is used to, it's going to be corey lewandowski. he is not going to be in that hearing playing nice with democrats today. >> i think that for viewers of these hearings, sometimes it feels like there's a lack of teeth from the state house judiciary for any punishment to hold people accountable. if he stone walls, then jerry nadler goes to court, how long will that take, and is there a jail sentence on the end of that, for contempt of court? >> it's going to take way too long and almost certainly no jail sentence. i think what the house judiciary commission needs to do, and i agree with abby, i think corey lewandowski is going to do the macho tough guy routine. you get what you can out of him as a questioner or a prosecutor like questioner, and in that