>> reporter: the founders probably didn't envision this. >> president zelensky, quote, loves your ass. >> was there a quid pro quo? the answer is yes. >> reporter: or this. >> it was a perfect call. a perfect call. this is a hoax. >> reporter: what do you think the founders would think about donald trump? >> oh, boy. i'm going to plead the fifth. tyranny is one of the main things they were worried about. demagoguery was the second one. >> the trump character was alive and well at the time of the american revolution. somebody with blarney and salesmanship. those characters have existed forever. >> no quid pro quo. >> reporter: but whether you think donald trump is guilty or innocent of high crimes and misdemeanors, the underlying