>> this existential crisis they're going through. they are ready for new leadership. they feel what happened the last couple of months showed a lot of things that need to change in the way that the house was running and the way that they want their leadership to be responding to them. but on the other hand, they're looking at pelosi and saying she has such a level of relationships, control and experience that they're really actually terrified of what the future will be like without her, what it will be like to try and stay unified and cohesive as they feel they need to, especially with the political threats and the larger questions of what's going to go on with our democracy and political process here. >> yeah. and i think, you know, you could say that maybe her grip is not as strong as it has always been. we saw that play out with the infrastructure bill. is the democratic caucus prepared for what a post-pelosi era would look like? . >> not really. not so far. one of the things you see here