other cities are safe and under reliable protection. so how big is the threat of a russian incursion into ukraine, a further russian incursion into ukraine? and what, if anything, can be done to slow putin down if that's his aim? joining me now cnn national security commentator and former house intelligence chairman mike rogers as well as washington correspondent for puck, julia ioffe. you have the advantage of talking to people inside russia and speaking the language. tell me right now what you are hearing in terms of imminence? >> well, from the russian side things don't sound nearly as dire as they do from here in washington, d.c. people still think that imminent war is quite unlikely. they see this as a negotiating tactic, that this is a way to maximize the pressure to get