and that just seemed wrong. it seemed potentially harmful to kids. when you're dealing with right and wrong or dealing with something that does have a profound impact on your business, then i just think you have to do do what is right, and not worry about the potential backlash to it. >> it is such an interesting moment because even if it is about right or wrong, it is still political. >> well, and it is also still business, which is even more important if you're the ceo of a huge company like disney. it is interesting, we did this and most of the interviews on who's talking on cnn plus are going to be live, but we did go to l.a. and tape a few interviews. this was a couple of weeks ago when there was a big furor about the don't say gay bill, and you saw the reaction from bob chapek, who succeeded iger as ceo who at that point was saying i'm not getting in the middle of this, we're a company and our message of unity is what we want, and though he didn't