chimney, obviously protesting that there will be no smoke. i don't know if that's any kind of indication. but worthy of note because we stare at that chimney for hours here because we're trying to just wait, obviously, for something to come out of it. a little moment of levity there. back to what actually matters, which is, dolan from new york, o'malley from boston, why not more energy toward cardinal donald worrell from washington, d.c.? i was told again by this cardinal today, he's the one to look at from america. he is the mix of gravitas, of holiness, and of standing up at his own risk, during the sex abuse scandal and wanting to take steps that were not being taken overall at that time. why not more about him? >> again, this is a very admiral man. if i could give you what i have been told, putting it in cloak yal terms, he's not as sexy. with cardinal o'malley, you have a man who's a franciscan who wears a brown hat -- >> father edward beck, did you offer up as the reason why he is