i want to bring in another voice. she knows a lot about whitey bulger. phyllis caris is on the phone. she authored books about him. including her latest "where is whitey?" phyllis, just when you heard guilty on those major, may wror counts, your reaction? >> well, it was just a relief to think that the jury believed these witnesses. and that, you know, 11 out of 19, they proved murders. that was extraordinary. that was hope that that was exactly what was going to happen. when kevin and i wrote the book, it was mainly three murders he discussed in the book. all three of those did come through as proven. that was kind of a relief to me that they believed kevin weeks's testimony on that.