on the other hand, there are a lot of really smart people that have been working on this, and somebody may come up with a way to -- to further identify exactly where it is, but i think it's going to be as it was with air france, and we don't have anywhere near the advantage with this that we had with air france. i think it's going to be a long, long trek. >> huh. are you encouraged by anything that you hear in the realm of the submersibles, auvs, all that is potentially being made available for this search that perhaps those means are the only ways in which to find any wreckage, if indeed, it is under water? >> i think it's terrific what people have volunteered, basically the state-of-the-art worldwide has been volunteered and is going to be used. the question is whether this is sufficient to do it very quickly, and i would doubt that.