we heard from matt gaetz, heard a lot. but there was one point he made that democrats should take this to court. that this committee if they believe that they should get -- there should be some consequence for steve bannon or they want these documents they should go to court. your view on that point. >> talk about a brar rabbit strategy. what he knows of course, it is very cynical, is that is what they tried to do with mcgahn and others and were foiled because it was just a strategy to run out the clock regardless of the merits or lack of the merits of the actual claim. so that is why he is saying it. in the meantime of course they are hoping to take it to court. to criminal court. u.s. vs. mcgahn and have a court and a jury judge him guilty. i just want to underscore that -- the solid point that this, a lot of this is about trying to change the incentives and sort of shake up the other witnesses. if mcgahn goes to court it'll be