problematic at best. just because of the terrain -- >> problematic at best. >> this is not like searching through the streets of chicago, that would be problematic because it's a large city. but here, the terrain is such. this is the middle of the winter i would be less concerned because all the leaves would be down and we could spot them easily from the air. but here, we have so much coverage for them. as nightfall comes, i'm sure they're scrambling to get the guys before nightfall comes because that will increase the difficulty by a thousand percent. >> you have to understand that law enforcement is questioning anybody in the area, whether the individuals were known to the community, whether they had been spotted at the gas station, a luncheonet luncheonette, so at least they can get an identifier on these people. as tom said, u.s. 12 it runs from wisconsin down through chicago into indiana. so you've got a large -- very,