now it's a matter of not getting the information for the first time but now can you confirm what we already know, and it will be very very curious to see whether these people will follow the steve bannon and mark meadows route and try to fight it knowing privilege doesn't exist anymore or simply say, listen, i know you already have information, what do you now want to know? >> right. you've got the corroboration, seemingly, especially with these documents now. now you still need the added cooperation. so laura, when you hear the former press secretary stephanie grisham say point-blank, the chief of staff, mark meadows, and attorneys were all likely in the room helping to draft this executive order and plan to dese de-certify the election, i mean, are we looking at attorneys who have familiarity with the way an executive order works that the attorneys, too, might be facing charges, and would they come from doj? >> it's an embarrassment to the bar for all attorneys to be involved in some form of