probably all feverishly engineering deals where ownership changes could be triggered, handed down. so it's going to be a game of cat and mouse unfortunately. >> a game of cat and mouse, but put in perspective for us. how much could these oligarchs actually be leveraged to really impact any decisions that putin is making? >> obviously, this is a big question, but i think unfortunately, the oligarchs nowadays have very little implements over putin himself. putin himself seemed to closeted himself off with maybe one or two of the senior officials, ex-kgb from st. petersburg and undermined his regime and takeover and upset the regime, which now only after the invasion of ukraine and they took this view and they stuck to