>> our first pictures were in a foundation of a building. and we had suits. you know, we picked up shovels. we were leaning on shovels and stuff. >> i enjoyed playing music. i enjoyed playing in all the groups that i had played in up till then, which were three to four different combinations. but i really enjoyed playing with these guys. you know, it was a whole other animal. >> robert has always been a song writer, ever since i met him. when he joined the band, he had a book of 50 songs. >> i remember meeting him at depaul and he had a notebook this thick full of lyrics. i remember, he said, i have a few songs here. i just said, well, you know, they might come in handy one day. >> in those days, there weren't bands that -- you know, there were individual singers and the bands backed up the singers. >> while we were playing in the clubs, we were doing what other bands do. we were playing covers. ♪