of her testimony that she observed travis alexander load the 25. we've never heard that before ever in 18 days of testimony. >> so you believe that had that gun was unloaded, right? >> i believed him. >> no, you believed the gun was unloaded. i'm not asking whether believed him. i'm asking whether you believed the gun was unloaded. >> objection. >> overruled. >> well, i believed him when he showed me that when he first found it, but heed had loaded it at one point in early december. >> whether he loaded it -- that's something you didn't tell us before, right? >> i had mentioned it. i didn't say that he loaded it in early december, but i said at one point it was unloaded and then at one point he used it. >> so you're saying he used the gun. >> i don't mean if he fired it. i just know he loaded it and took it with him to go do something. >> and this is something that we're hearing for the first