active language, some would say homophobic language. was he ever homophobic when you were playing in terms of the way he spoke to players and was he ever racist? >> no, sir, not at all. he was never -- he didn't say things like that to me at all. i think it's because of my background. he understand that, you know, i'm a tough kid, i come from a tough background and that, you know, stuff like that really would not fit well with me. and i really think -- he didn't want to disrespect me in that type of manner. >> demote aggravate you? >> yes, he did. he motivated me -- not necessarily on the court, because i was hurt for two years. he motivated me to get back. but he also motivated me in the classroom. and that year when i graduated in 2012, three guys graduated in that class. he did motivate me on and off the court, i can say. >> well, fascinating perspective there, thank you very much for joining me. and you've given us a real insight there into perhaps another side of mike rice who has been fired for his coaching methods. and i appreciate you joining me. >> thank you for having me, sir.