mining was instrumental at least in foiling one plot in pakistan that was going to lead potentially to the bombing of new york subways. and one of the people cited is a senior intelligence official who spoke on condition of anonymity. so it seems that an administration upset about leaks is perfectly happy to leak one when it's in the matter of depending a program that is controversial. >> the hypocrisy over leaking stuff and then going after other people who leak things you don't like is rampant. but to connect that to anna's comment, so much of what happens and what gets reported out of washington really is nonsense. it is partisan hackerry on both sides and each team is just throwing talk points at each other that means nothing. >> complicit in -- >> of course. because cover it like a baseball game. and the danger of that is the crying wolf syndrome.