msnbc does. most of the time they don't have a republican there. they take a sound bite and destroy you with a sound bite sometimes taken out of context. if you go over there you're not really welcome. other showss, i would agree, at least people are nice to you, welcoming, they want you there, appreciate you there and want to hear your viewpoint whereas at msnbc they don't like you, they almost feel like you're just a random person that we're going to destroy for a couple of minutes and we're going to shut you down and tell you to stop talking and don't interrupt me. >> pretty terrible. >> that's one of the reasons -- >> yeah. it's, you know, i'm okay with defending what i believe in. i'm not okay with being a punching bag where you automatically know going in, they really don't want you there. they just need you to fill the box on the screen and you're the bad guy. >> both fox and msnbc struggle to get people who perceived to be from the other side of the ideological table. it is always a challenge. my experience is very different from ben's on both sides.