a minute but take me to the moment where you all found out about this. how exactly did you all find out this donation even happened? >> sure. well it's simple investigative reporting. one of my reporters had composed a spreadsheet of all the foundations donors and another reporter was spending his off hours going through it. he just happened to see that george stephanopoulos was in the list so he contacts me and says i found this out, what do i do? my first thought was, well has he disclosed it? we did the research it turned out george had not. my second thought was well, we're going to write it up as a straight news piece but first go to abc news for comment. >> let's pick up there in a minute. but are you surprised that nobody had seen his name on a list before? >> not really. i found since in the three years we've been doing the free beacon that there are a lot of stories out there that for whatever reason media just doesn't cover. so whether it's archival research we've done pertaining