that he was saying or rather the things that he was not saying. it was absolutely surreal the answers that he gave to pretty straight-forward questions about policy about his campaign about his ideas. but there was a point there when you know metaphorically i sort of turned my lens to my colleagues around me, and this just incredible scrum of reporters from all over the world, not just from the united states who are fixated on this man. >> right. you're saying the media should quit trump, but are you being realistic? you probably know that's impossible right? it's impossible for you as an individual, but not for institutions. >> it's aspirational, you might say. >> aspirational. >> aspirational. you know but i mean there are parts of trump's story -- his story's the story of the summer and i think you're right when you pointed that out, and there is something to poll numbers, even if polls this early are by and large kind of meaningless, but he is touching something raw with a big swath of american voters. and i would love to see more