or the engaged action we see on the ground. there are always outliers to show up to twist the message. there will be people who engage in hyperbolic rhetoric. that's different than being genuinely committed to injuring law enforcement. >> do you think the fox news host seized on it to create too broad a brush? seems like they had a narrative. >> they did have a narrative. it's different than the narrative they are with the tea party sign. they said those are outliers. thes are extra folk who we dismiss. why can't the same generosity and -- be given to those involved in this movement? >> you made a comment about dr. martin luther king. you suggested the same attempts were made to delegitimize the movement in the 1960s that you're seeing now.