olivia, which side is winning? >> i think we're all losing. it's hard to look at it that way. it's not a sports game. it's not something you can say they made points, the democrats have six points for their performance on tuesday and republicans have points for their performance on thursday. i think we won't know until the end. but i think it's just like comparing a ken burns documentary to the wizard of oz. one side is dealing with facts. one side cares about what actually happened and that is what they're talking about. and the other side is kind of throwing things at the wall, seeing what will stick and deflecting left and right. it's almost impossible to compare because -- >> they're in different universes. >> david, you wrote trump supporters are displaying the will to win and democrats are not. i took away from your piece that the democrats need a tv producer, someone to figure out the hearings for them. >> not to create a vulgar show,