we're not going to demonize this issue anymore and play politics with this issue anymore. we're going to treat it like the respectful issue that it is. and the tropes that you want to talk about, you keep saying, where is anyone talking about putting a woman in jail, south carolina. there's legislation right now that would put a woman in jail if she got an abortion. that's why i say that. >> arguably, the win ning line f the night for nikki haley, these fellas don't know how to talk about abortion. in any traditional election environment, take the trump factor out, she would by and away be the front runner because she can tackle an issue like this that matters to the base, but that in the post roe era, you cannot have as hard line a as a stance as ron desantis does. we have seen ballot initiatives in deep red states protecting abortion rights that republicans have turned out to vote for. there's a disconnect in the post dobbs era of where voters are.