and you heard from white house officials who were trying to downplay that. in hindsight now, what does that tell you? >> i think there are a couple issues we need to think about. let me take you inside the room here. the likelihood the president would know the identity of the spy, doubtful. >> but knowing information can also reveal a source, right, a certain type of information. zds sure. sure. i want to make sure we keep clear on what we're talking about. if you're worried about whether you should be concerned, not only how the president handles a telephone conversation, but i guarantee, they don't like the way he talks about intelligence and handles it. if the. i would have questions about that. remember the timeline. jim is reporting that there are already concerns under the obama