is, indeed, there is a quid pro quo going on. we are just looking to see if there are any arrows that point in any other direction beyond the fact this was a shakedown scheme ordered by the president, carried out by rudy giuliani in this shadow diplomacy track. >> what has he told you? >> we'll let him testify all day and the chairman will give us guidance with what we can put out. right now in this phase of the hearings, because very few witnesses know very few of the details, we want to conduct it in such a way that witnesses don't know what they're going to say. otherwise they could work together and cook up alibis and tailor their testimony. the fact we've been able to keep it so closed somewhat reflects that. >> is he mainly pointing to quotes or is there a lot of context he's going into?