is synonymous with learning. because for some kids being under time, a timed condition, makes them nervous, and kids who are reflective thinkers and have to kind of survey information in their minds don't always do as well under testing environments. and so it's important to be mindful of those principles of human learning -- >> right. >> -- and thought within a testing environment. >> i think you've just described my oldest daughter. it's funny. she'll probably hate me for even bringing this up. i feel she understands topics, but under testing conditions, it does tend to be a little bit different for her. maybe it's the pressure, i'm not sure. >> exactly. >> also the other thing, she's 8 years old and they use a lot of technology in the classroom, ipads and screens and things like that. what do you think, helpful or harmful? >> i think the technology is wonderful. you know, if you think about learning happens best when you're engaging a lot of your senses. and we shouldn't underestimate