lift the hold on security assistance. is that your recollection of the conversation as well? >> not exactly. >> how does yours differ? >> i recall talking about the statement that we had discussed earlier, the one that had been the subject of the exchanges between mr. yermak and myself, myself, ambassador sondland, and rudy giuliani, and back to yermak. so i discussed that this is an effort we are doing, that this could be helpful in getting a reset of the thinking of the president, the negative view of ukraine that he had. and if we did that, i thought that would also be helpful in unblocking whatever hold there was on security assistance, if there's a negative presumption about ukraine, getting this stuff on track would be helpful. >> all right. that's a different interpretation, but you don't doubt what she testified is inaccurate, do you? >> i believe she accurately reflected what she understood from the conversation. >> you testified a little about