he has the strongest chance to win the election. i think karl rove just told me, you don't agree with that? >> well, that's what they think now. but if you go back to 2012 you'll find say period of time where people thought herman kane had the chance of being the nominee and newt gingrich. and john mccain had the best chance of becoming the republican nominee. you need to differentiate between the questions and the poll asking people to comment as spectators and pundits and say what do you believe about what you're going to do. >> i'm asking you directly -- what do you believe, do you believe that he's the republican of the best shot of winning the white house? yes or no? >> no. >> who is? >> well but i think he has a high floor and a low ceiling. you have to look at the candidates who have higher favorables and lower knowing tiffs who a lot more people could see themselves voting for than trump.