participation in the attempted overthrow of the 2020 presidential election. joining me is ned foley, constitutional law professor at the ohio state university, where he's director of the election law program. he's also a columnist for the "washington post," where he recently wrote this piece. quote forget the trump trials, he might already be ineligible for 2024". nice to have you back. there has been no such finding, no due process for donald trump. so according to you, what now needs to happen? >> good to be with you. i think timing is crucial here. if donald trump is allowed to be on the ballot and then wins, i think he needs to be permitted to take office. that's only fair to the voters. on the other hand, if he's already disqualified constitutionally from being president even if he wins, then he shouldn't be on the ballot, also to be fair to the voters, because voters need to be able