they grow a lot of new businesses. one example, a pair of former carpenters who turned their love of tipgerring into a chocolate business. i'm here to meet up with the guys and the bagel place who happens to have been their first backer and then go make and eat some of the award winning chocolate. is that coffee? the largest cup you have? fantastic. this is the biggest cup of coffee i've ever had. there. dustin, adam, dennis. >> thaekt -- that's correct. let's have a seat back here. >> sure. >> i don't have as large a cup. >> listen, it's not the size of your cup. it's the the size of your hands. dennis is the proprietor, and he's been a supporter of the business since before it was a business. >> i initially met these guys when they were carpenters. i needed a custom made window for the small cabin i had.