because we have to govern, but to do that, you are courting reprisals among the base. i don't know if kevin mccarthy or anybody else is going to do that. >> in 2015 when kevin went down, and then ryan was not ready to ascend, i had the democrats approach me who were sent over by the leaders to say, well, if you can get some votes, we will help you to find the rest, and we started to have those conversations so i can see a coalition speaker, and it is not likely or probable, but if you can't get 218, you could get a coalition speaker. >> or get enough concessions to get rid of mccarthy so that enough of the far right comes with you. >> i wanted to focus on the dynamics of the modern day republican party which would make it difficult for anyone who had been the minority leader for this past 117th congress to emerge unscathed from this