but it was like hitting a brick. the gator didn't even flinch, and then there was another client, about to rent a canoe as well, and when he heard what was happening, he ran over, and he was just screaming at me to try -- telling me to pull my son out of the water. and i really wanted to get the gator's teeth to let go of his arm first, because i was concerned if i pulled joey away while the gator still attached, with the weight of the gator, that could pull his arm out of his socket. >> the other guy, came down with you and actually kicked or hit the alligator in the stomach and the jaws popped loose. >> exactly. that's when the jaws popped loose and the gator released. >> joey, did he he hurt you? did it hurt? you got some scratches. can you show me a little bit about what happened? >> well, yeah. i -- i was screaming, i was in the pond, but i cried when i got