>> but they're there. the opposition is there, and the kind of amendments that are being brought up are not small things. they're not so-called easily dismissed poison pills. they're big things. the big blocs inside the congress are really upset about. this business about language. language is a ticking time bomb. they haven't even started to discuss it yet. those are the emotional parts of what under girds the national debate about immigration. we haven't even gotten to it yet. it's all about technical, reaching targets, 90% interdiction before this stuff happens. you wait until they get to the other things. >> it sounds like it's maybe not going to happen. harry reid said we're going to get this done by july 4th, i'm thinking, whoa, 2014? what year? >> we haven't even really gotten to the interesting part. this is all about positioning -- assuming a bill does pass, positioning for negotiations with the house. it's all about conference committee later on or whatever