this business about language. language is a ticking time bomb. they haven't even started to discuss it yet. those are the emotional parts of what under girds the national debate about immigration. we haven't even gotten to it yet. it's all about technical, reaching targets, 90% interdiction before this stuff happens. you wait until they get to the other things. >> it sounds like it's maybe not going to happen. harry reid said we're going to get this done by july 4th, i'm thinking, whoa, 2014? what year? >> we haven't even really gotten to the interesting part. this is all about positioning -- assuming a bill does pass, positioning for negotiations with the house. it's all about conference committee later on or whatever mechanism they use to hash out their differences, and you're trying to see basically a position against what they think the house will do. you get john cornyn, the conservatives saying we need to make it more palatable to the house. you get chuck schumer in, and he says you want the maximum liberal position because it's only going to get more conservative as we end up making concessions to the house. >> ask you guys to stand by. when we get back, fun stuff