thailand, all these countries. they may have very military capabilities, but these are skies, this is air traffic control in this region, it is very heavily watched by both military radars and civilian air traffic control radars. does anybody really think that, you know, a large aircraft went into one of these countries without them noticing? it begins to, you know, sort of defy logic. it is possible. anything in this terrible tragedy is possible. but the sources i've been talking to are saying they're trying to focus on logic. and to them that dictates that maybe it probably went into the ocean to the south. they find it very hard to believe that it could have gone into one of these land areas and not been noticed, not picked up by somebody. >> barbara starr at the pentagon for us. thanks, barbara. joining me now around the table, chad sweet, former cia officer and current ceo of the chertoff group, and richard