this group might come up with, is president biden going to be willing to meet with them before or after talks with capito end? >> of course. he is willing to meet with anyone who will help to move this forward, the clock is ticking. there is an end point to this discussion, but it is important and great and hopeful ha the republicans that you've just described are also taking a look at it. perhaps there can be a meshing of efforts. ultimately, we have to get to 10 republican votes to be able to pass this in regular order. that's the hope. >> if that doesn't work and if you can't get republican votes, going through this manchin process with this plan "b" will help you get manchin on board at the end of the day one way or the other. let me ask you about cyber. you brought that up at the top