succeed. so you have this almost overwhelming narrative right now here in the west saying this is a blunder, this is a mistake. putin certainly has not achieved his objective so far, but the great i think we all unfortunately accurately foresaw this attack on the cities and civilians of ukraine as one escalation. well, there are other kinds of escalation we may now see from putin if his military objectives continue to be frustrated. that's what concerns me. >> yeah. well, i think we're entering a new an and more dangerous phase of this because he's not been successful with the lightning attack and overthrowing the government, installing, you know, a puppet government. so now he is going to get increasingly desperate, we've seen the attacks on the city, i think we can expect when they get to kyiv they will treat it like mariupol and the other cities. he has kept the nuclear option on the table as he becomes increasingly desperate we have to be concerned about where he's