they want to see the end of bashar. they have pledged money, they have pledged support and they want to see the destruction of the mafia that rules syria. other countries, when you think about it, is completely reprehensible. the egyptians, who have had their own revolution for liberty, are now siding with bashar al assad against the rebellion in syria. and then above and beyond that, have you the iraqis, iraqis whose liberty is owed to an american war. they want to see an american intervention in syria, that would deliver some deliverance, some -- we're not going to go into a big war in syria. our help could alter the balance of power on the ground without a major effort on our part. that's the hope at least. >> if i may, what if it doesn't alter the balance of power, then what?