tried to harm public officials. what seems different about this is this isn't necessarily pemwith mental ill -- people with mental illness but people in the bad corner of the internet that think this is funny. that is terrifying. >> lulu, is there a purpose behind bomb threat and swatting public officials? >> i believe that there's a purpose. i believe that that purpose is to intimidate. i don't think that it is a game, and i think that there is an intent to actually persuade certain people to perhaps act differently. and i think we're seeing that. i mean, when you see people swatting president trump's judge, it might have an effect. people are afraid. if you see people swatting politicians, those politicians, we don't know, might they change their vote, might they behave differently than they would otherwise. so i think there's this pernicious effect that happens when we see this kind of