king about. it's all of the constructions of fear. what does that mean? you know are you afraid of me and do you have a right to be afraid of me? how often in these cases -- not in this particular case but other cases we have encountered where people say i thought i saw something in his waist band. do black men have to start wearing leotards? all of this stuff is so murky. there's so much discretion around what is excessive force. so that you can craft an argument in a legal way out of it so you will come back very often with a rendering that says that this person did nothing that was outside of policy. although ethically, it seems wrong. it seems wrong that so many of these young black men are losing their lives when the justice system could have dealt with them with a lesser degree. >> charles blow, neil franklin thank you very much.