and i support now a first round, they've discussed targeted sanctions, aimed primarily at those linked to luhansk and donetsk. however, key players in russia as well there supporting it. so i'm not for the full package yet but it's time to fire that sanctions shot across the bow. >> and you know, i'm going to go to you, steve on, what we've just laid out and what this being putin's play, essentially. we don't know what acts are to come. the bottom line, what we do know is there is a russian massive troop build-up all around ukraine. do you really expect putin to stop with the donbas region, given how forceful he was today in his speech, claiming ukraine belongs to russia, talking about the russian empire and so forth. >> pam, right now, vladimir putin is like a toddler with a big army.