this with a pilot's perspective. we're joined by a 777 captain, contributing editor of "flying" magazine. we're talking here about a pilot with 20,000 -- 20,500 hours, very experienced guy. when you're flying into the kind of bl and i know you know what it's like what are you trying to do? >> well, what we're trying to do is primarily avoidance. there gets to be a certain point where we have to kind of pick our way through some of the particular cells, but for the most part we try to find the heaviest portion and avoid it altogether. and we would be using your weather radar and a mode of the auto pilot called heading select so we would deviate off route and try to make a nice smooth ride for our passengers. we never want to intentionally