years and years and years, with full knowledge that we were within a 100-mile radius and not knowing each other. it's just -- it's unconscionable. >> who would think that anybody would be evil enough to come up with something like this ? >> in the process of my research, i learned that the person really in charge of this study was dr. peter neubauer. very distinguished psychiatrist in new york. director of the freud archives. he was an austrian refugee from the holocaust. and he set up shop in new york and became, you know, one of the great men of psychiatry in america.