fame. the point is to be out there to be talked about, to be seen as defending this trumpest virtual reality of stopping the steal. i mean, that's where guys like bannon make their money and make their bones. so he's going to rebel as much as he possibly can. he also wants to delay, love to drag this out far beyond the midterms and maybe the expiration of the committee itself. so i don't expect we'll hear much from this hearing. it will be a scheduling hearing. they'll talk about filing preliminary motions and set up briefing schedules. this will drag on for white awhile. >> yeah, thank you. jamie, quickly, i saw you shaking your head in agreement with, you said he's a lost cause. >> absolutely. i actually think he's enjoying this and there is no question this is how he makes his money, don. >> thank you both. appreciate it. nice work on the exclusive. see you both soon. the justice department suing the state of texas alleging republican redistricting plans