a politician is a person that, generally speaking -- >> so you're a politician now? >> well, now, i'm a politician. but i'm not acting like a politician because i tell the truth. >> it is an experience to sit and talk to him, right? because he has an answer for everything. >> so, no, you're not in washington anymore. >> he's polling very high. he's at the top of the polls. do you think it will last? >> i'm better in a conventional campaigns. there's nothing conventional about donald trump. there's nothing conventional about this. presumable bli, presumab presumably, he's got a ceiling, but you never know. >> there's nothing normal or traditional about the way he running. and at this point, he's winning. >> what did he say about obamacare? >> back in the day, when he was