going against him. carlie has taken some shots at donald trump. he's just trying to get under her skin. it's the exact opposite. and he's the one that's obviously doing it. >> to our knowledge and to your knowledge, have you ever heard him say hey, look at that face on jeb bush, look at the face on ben carson. >> but here's the deal. the thing about carlie, i'll give her some comments. at least she was respectful on her comments back. if you're running as a female, you want to be bassed on your credential. hopefully, any time a woman starts to bring in the female aspect, i actually think it looks quite pathetic. it's worse for the war on women. they're the ones bringing it in as an excuse. >> well, i think the saddest thing about this is fiorina is put in the position to respond to a stupid comment instead of talking about hr thoughts on policy.