i'm not at all surprised by it. i don't think it's a big deal. i think it's classic trump. >> kevin? >> well, look. let's stipulate first that there's no party that has a -- has a monopoly on extreme rhetoric. i think both sides have it. sarah murray made an important point earlier that anything can happen when you have a town hall. donald trump is learning that lesson now. i think donald trump has a lot of experience talking to people's anxieties and talking in a way that -- >> kevin, i don't disagree with you. i don't think anyone -- >> hold on. i haven't -- >> let me finish. >> let me finish my point. >> people are not taking offense to the question in that point. the questioner in that way. it's just the response. you don't know. people can say anything. >> and that's where i was going. that's where i was going with my answer. i think the big problem is that when you have a moment like that, that is unscripted, what happens is character and judgments are revealed. >> right. >> and we look back at the