>> yeah. i want to ask you this, and this happens here in new york city. there is a back and forth between your former commissioner, ray kelly you mentioned earlier. and talking about what he put in place and your boss, bill bratton. ray kelly says a 20% increase of homicides by guns and overall shootings is down. one is saying it's up and one is saying it's down. >> i'm not sure what commissioner kelly is talking about. a 20% increase in homicides by guns, while there's a decrease in homicides by knives. in a city of 8.5 million where the difference is a tiny handful, those are the normal ebbs and flows. the more important point is there is no way of counting or categorizing than any way it was under commissioner kelly's regime.